| Posted November 16, 2001 updated November 14, 2006 |
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Family Crest, wapen, discussion and notes.
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Wout van Haaster wrote,
All I can say about this Coat of Arms (pictured below) is that it's shield is
listed in J.B. Rietstap's "Armorial Général(1861)" as "Haestert
(van), Holland" Rietstap however is not known for his accuracy. In fact his
work has a lot of known errors, These are listed in "Foutieve wapens in het
Armorial Général (1953)" by R.T. Musschart, this book is in the CBG
library, (not looked into it yet). I also copied some handwritten notes, a
few months ago ,which I believe are from Rietstap himself, (have to check the
source again.) In this notes this person talks about the name that the
common people gave to places like Utrecht , which used to be called Uitert in
the distant past, and Haestrecht which was called Haestert by the ordinary
people of the region. (Other example is Dordt for Dordrecht , still in
use). In this notes he continues saying "Iets waarvan ik myzelf de
moeite van betoog niet zou gegeven hebben, ware het niet , dat ik om des
waarheid wil niet gaarne zou wenschen betwijfelen , in zwang was, als of die 't
wapen met de klaverbladen en triviale benaming Van Haestert gewoon hebben, van
een anderen stam zonder behoeve geschat te worden geweest te zijn, als die de
beide geharkte fortes Van Arkel " ....etc. He states here that he has to
mention this thing about Haestert versus Haestrecht to let us know that the
people that call themselves Van Haestert and carry the Coat of arms with the
clover leafs are different from those called Van Haastrecht from the house of
Van Arkel. (Nov 2000)
Jan van Rijn wrote,
I studied your weapon and really I don't know what to say. Let us start
with the good news. A shield with three standing clovers as shown is indeed the
weapon that was used by a familiy van Haestert from the provincie Holland. The
significance of a clover is: property of land. This means here that the bearer
of that weapon was a landowner. The form of the shield is not as it has to be. A
shield with a round basis like here is from 1500 - 1530. But the inward gulf at
the topside was never used and surely not in that time. The book by Ottfried
Neubecker, J.P. Brooke-Little and Robert Tobler: Heraldry, sources, symbols and
Meaning - McGraw-Hill Comp, 1977 gives many monsters of shields but not this
shield. The book: large size, 288 pages in full color is what they call a
standard work. In the archives of ARA there are also weapons from a family van
Haestrecht from Rotterdam and a family from Utrecht. But these two are totally
different. See also the cd-rom later. The difficulty is that you have to prove
that this weapon was once used by your forefathers. Up till now I haven't seen a
paper signed by one of them with a weapon upon it or hanging on it in red wax.
Of course Marry and Wouter also know the three clovers and I'm sure they would
be very glad if one of us could prove that this is the right thing. They both
have a print from the three clovers. It comes from a book called: Armorial
Général précédé d'ún dictionaire des termes du blason par J.B. Rietstap
Tome I & II deuxième Edition, refondue et augmentée Facsimilé, index
alphabetique. Gouda - G.B. van Goor Zonen 1884-1887.120.000 weapons were
published in this book. But... it does not say to which family it belongs.
Suppose, there are 5 families van Haestert in that time which one is the right
one? Therefore, you have to prove it is yours. Some years ago this book was
published as a cd.rom by Stichting Historic Future Postbus 5163, 1410 AD NAARDEN
number postbank 4.558.273. As far as I know it is still available. About
Dglds 80,--. But our worries go further. The color of the clovers is green and
right. The shading or hatching of the other things is weird. Every heraldic
color has its own specific shading. I don't recognize this shading. Is it
possible to check the shading as it was when you got it once from the other
member of the East Indië branch? Maybe we can find than the right
colors. But now a hint and a question. In 1737 Neeltje Janse Van der Kooy,
widow of Cornelis Jaspersz van Haastregt died and an auction - sale was held. An
inventory was made and this inventory was 58 pages! All the goods were
distributed to her three children and in case of death of these children under
their children. Oma ordered that her three golden rings had to be given to her
children and so a silver bell. To sell these rings was out of question. The
three rings were mentioned als follows:.een gladde gouden hoepringh, een
gedraaide hoepringh en een wapenringh. I try to translate: a wedding ring, a
twisted ring and a weapenring. But what weapen was it? Hers? Van der Kooy?
or the weapon of her husband Van Haastregt also called Van Haestert and if it
was his had it three clovers? In the whole inventory no word anymore about the
weaponring. Of course, everybody knew exactly where they talked about. In my
list generation IX Jacob Jaspersz van Haastrecht *Voorburg, circa 1585 married
N.N. They had 6 children. Number 1 Jasper Jacobsz van Haastrecht x Geertje
Corelis Suyderbosch. My branch. Number 6 Maarten, schepen van Veur. Alderman of
Veur. No further data. It is possible that Maarten as an alderman signed
his papers with his name and sealed in wax with a weapen(ring). The Alderman
papers of Veur come from the Algemeen Rijksarchief to Leidschendam the
forthcoming months. As soon as they have arrived I'll have a look. Today I found
in the archive of Leidschendam an old chart of 1608. On this chart you see in
the Kleine Plaspoelpolder the place Damsigt and surrounding land. On this
land there is a small mill, called wipmolen. A following chart says this is the
first corenmolen van Leidschendam. There is no prove but it is possible that
this is the mill of Jacob Jacobsz van Haestert, miller who made in 1603 a
marriage-settlement, in 1611 his last will was made under the name Van
Haestrecht. I have several documents from 1602 till 1694 concerning these
grounds. They were owned by the Van Haestert/Van Haestrecht family and used to
grow fruit, rye and vegetables. There was also a "paardewatermolen",
that is a watermill driven by horsepower, to dry the fields. Next time
I'll tell you something about "welgeborenen". Gentry people.
Descendents of knights. If we could prove the Van Haestert family is the right
holder of the arms of the three clovers, than the possibility that they belong
to the class of "welgeborenen" welborn - comes nearer and nearer. But
we accept only documents. (Nov 2000)
Marry van Haastert wrote,
I agree with Jan van Rijn's statement that we have to prove we are descendants
of the van Haastert branch that used this weapon. In fact there are three
possibilities, one belonged to the family situated in Rotterdam, the others are
Utrecht and Holland. I have some old papers which mention a family weapon that
belongs to the Utrecht family. They mention a Rudolf and a Willem, Jan and
Claas, Roelof, Pauwels van Haastert and Otto as an imperator. Up till now there
is not a specific connection yet. But I will save all until it can be
used.
Glad we are working together. (Nov 2000)
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